go back to anne-marie's point, deficit is a big problem, we need to spend more on state. when you ask him, do you want to take it from defense, no, no, we don't want to cut. we need a security budget that looks at homeland security and defense for the trade offs. >> they can prevent it. >> the point is, it would be a shame to say we are going to continue to build or retake as romney wants to, an f-22 that's not needed because of a job. it's not what the warrior wants to hear. when you look at his numbers, chris, they are really something. there's 3.5 million jobs in the defense aerospace industry. according to what romney is saying, this 10% cut means you lose 40% of all those jobs. that's ridiculous. the numbers don't add up. >> when defense spending went up in the last five years before the budget control act, these companies were laying off people. if you take a dollar and you say i want to spend that on defense, education, health or a tax cut, you create more jobs. >> a lot of defense spending is an intense undertaking. if you spend a dollar, it depends on where you p